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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and i am

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delighted to welcome on the podcast with

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me a gentleman with a quite fantastic

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resume including being an executive

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board member of the scientific coalition

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for uap studies an it consultant and

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strategist a defense contractor of over

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20 years also with more than 50 years of

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experience researching and investigating

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the ufo subject among many other titles

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mr rich hoffman rich welcome to the

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podcast

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hi glad to be on with you andy how you

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doing

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i am very well um the

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most amount of work i had to put into

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the the interview for this one which was

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actually taking out some of your job

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titles and roles and descriptions to

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narrow that down to what i did get it to

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so um hopefully that was enough of an

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that's certainly fine

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no problem

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rich we have got a lot to discuss and i

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want to get straight into the

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conversation with you um i i struggled

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to narrow this one down as to what to

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talk about you know in what order

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that was sent over to me so hopefully

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i've managed to cover a good range but

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first off i want to talk about your

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background and what's led you to being

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off with what was your earliest memory

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of being interested in the subject of

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i was late to the class and i got the

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list it looked like everybody else had

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word ufo uh so i stuck my name next to

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eighth grade science teacher and said mr

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bayshore what what is the ufo and he

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uh and the legitimate book on this

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the city of dayton on the subject of

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and uh i had become i had read so much

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knowledgeable about this thing and

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like uh you know very popular in the

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city of dayton and they was suddenly

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uh i then got connected with project

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i got to know some of the people there

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radar approach control at the base in

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case i

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andy i spent the rest of my life

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was ultimately changed by that that one

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now rich you have declared yourself a

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fan of the subject which is amazing as

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you can take that interest into your

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more scientific endeavors um i'm talking

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about i watched your appearance on a

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vinnie adams disclosure team podcast

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that was on around eight months ago very

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much an interview worth checking out

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folks i think you mentioned your desk

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was covered in ufo stuff and you've got

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the i want to believe poster

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how common is that level of interest in

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the subject of ufos with your colleagues

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with this the subject is has you know

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obviously during when blue book was up

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and running and stuff like that it was

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uh you know a very credible subject to

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command so it's the same sister it's a

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sister organization to the air force

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where the project blue book was located

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years is a

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limited number of people that were

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interested in it that would occasionally

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come up and talk to me about it

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but that has increased since 2017 when

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the topic just hit the news wires and

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everybody was and in fact i have a lot

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of people they're saying

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you know it's it's pretty much validated

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what i've been saying all along

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so it's like it's kind of a situation

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where oh yeah that's that's what rich

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hoffman does you know and so

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jokingly now a lot of people refer to me

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is that conversation much easier then

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for you to have do you feel like the

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stigma is going away from it and you can

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the speculative side of it and let's be

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fair the speculative side of the

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conversation can go into way different

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extremes and all kinds of directions but

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i think even just seeing people like

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talking about you know let's not

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you know discount the et hypothesis

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that can be huge and do you feel things

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like that have trickled down where

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doing the nitty-gritty the the

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scientific driven

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side of this it's making your life a bit

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easier

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yes it is uh you know it it definitely

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is because you know conversations that

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you know generally wouldn't have

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happened that are now happening and

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people are willing to come up and talk

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about their sightings

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more uh that they they had something

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because it's now legitimized by the fact

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that the government's saying that

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they're real right so they they feel a

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little bit more open and willing to talk

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about it now

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uh because the government said hey

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they're real that they're there there

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are ufos out there and and it's no

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longer the the that that i'm a loony

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i'm crazy or i'm whatever you know i

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mean i so i can talk about it and so

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that's what i've seen is that generally

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there's more openness where people feel

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a lot more comfortable about it they're

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willing to share more and one of the

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things we're seeing within uh scu the

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organization that i'm with

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when we created it we were hoping to

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make it into the science world because

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they could feel safe talking among

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themselves

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now and they didn't have the the other

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groups and the other kind of strange

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things that are out there that they had

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to deal with so it was now that they

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could actually open up and talk to other

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scientists openly about it and it took

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that you know if you look at jacques

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valle talking about the invisible

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college it now made the invisible

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college more visible

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and and so

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that's where

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what we're seeing right now is just that

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there's a

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we have up to 190 members that are now

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part of scu we're growing by leaps and

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bounds uh we're encouraged to see that

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now people are talking about it more in

331
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fact we're we openly promote

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collaboration between all of them uh and

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get them to talk up to each other and uh

334
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it's been really exciting

335
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let's talk about scu so like you said

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it's a scientific coalition for uap

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studies a wonderful organization it's

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got some great names and if you go on to

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explore scu.org people can meet the team

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and see the different backgrounds that

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the different folks have that are

342
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involved for those who might not be too

343
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familiar with scu can you explain what

344
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the organization does and how it came

345
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about

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sure uh

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let me tackle the how it became about

348
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because that'll help you to understand

349
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what it is i think uh

350
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how it came about was uh we all there

351
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were five of us that were all members of

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mufon

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i was the director of strategic projects

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and i had been the uh

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also the deputy director of

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investigations with them

357
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i also was a state director for two

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states alabama and mississippi so i

359
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played a large role in the leadership

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and i was connected to of course the

361
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leaders up in uh at the organizational

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level

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you had robert powell who was also the

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director of research for mufon you had

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morgan bell who was also a state

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director in florida

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you had larry kates who was an

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individual who was a mathematician doing

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a lot of uh with scientific studies

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in support of a program that we had as

371
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well as carl paulson

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uh who was a nuclear physicist

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um and

374
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all five of us came together on a on a

375
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basically a case that happened it fell

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into our laps

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uh while we were in mufon uh and it was

378
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the aguadilla puerto rico uh case that

379
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happened in 2013

380
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and what happened there was a customs

381
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and border protection

382
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flight had actually witnessed an object

383
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filmed it for about three minutes and 54

384
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seconds uh we got access to the video we

385
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did the research to took two years to

386
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actually research the entire video

387
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and we broke it into uh

388
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7027 frames

389
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uh and studied every pixel practically

390
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on every one of the images

391
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and literally did a report but let me

392
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clarify up front that we had to sign a

393
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non-disclosure agreement which kept us

394
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from even talking about it within mufon

395
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:47,199
and uh that was kind of an awkward

396
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:48,959
position since we were all a mufon and

397
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,120
we couldn't talk about it

398
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:53,040
anyway nevertheless we did our study we

399
00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:55,360
did the report the uh the pilot wanted

400
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it to treat it be treated seriously and

401
00:15:03,829 --> 00:15:00,959
scientifically which we did we wrote a

402
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paper which is po posted on our website

403
00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:04,800
uh

404
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on that case it was 177 pages i think in

405
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:10,240
in length

406
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:13,519
it's very detailed uh uh where we talk

407
00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:15,519
about everything we did

408
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,600
and after we did that

409
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:19,519
there was a little bit of uh angst

410
00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:21,839
amongst mufon when they identified that

411
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:23,600
we published this and it didn't go

412
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through them

413
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and so we we actually met with mufon

414
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leadership and told them how what about

415
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the ndaa and how that gets started

416
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uh

417
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we i we also started to see that mufon

418
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started to get into

419
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i don't know

420
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more

421
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there's the woo factor

422
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:44,160
they're starting to get into like the

423
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secret spaceship program and a whole

424
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,639
bunch of other things and that doesn't

425
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this conspiracy angles and stuff like

426
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,880
that are the things that scientists

427
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:55,440
reject they don't want to get into that

428
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,000
right they're not looking for that so

429
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:00,240
basically what we had to do is to we

430
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,959
pulled the scientists basically that all

431
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:04,800
were getting ready to depart on their

432
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:05,839
own

433
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:08,320
from mufon and we pulled them together

434
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:10,399
and then we formed a

435
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:13,440
an scu basically and then worked to

436
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:15,040
build it up and we got it started in

437
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:17,680
2017 legitimately with as an

438
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:20,000
incorporated organization and all the

439
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:21,519
other stuff that you needed to do to

440
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:23,839
file for that

441
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:25,279
and so

442
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:27,040
with that it started off as just the

443
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:28,160
five of us

444
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:29,759
and then we started to get these other

445
00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:31,600
scientists that were leaving mufon that

446
00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,680
wanted to come on board other state

447
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:35,759
directors from mufon were also departing

448
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,959
because they didn't

449
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:38,800
see that that was uh being treated

450
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:41,199
scientifically enough for them

451
00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:43,040
and so they wanted another kind of an

452
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,160
alternative

453
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:46,639
so we suddenly went from there uh in

454
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:49,279
just short order up to i think we had

455
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,000
maybe like 45 people in the first year

456
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:54,959
and then suddenly now we're up to 190

457
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:56,720
and still growing

458
00:17:02,389 --> 00:16:59,360
but the organization is basically set up

459
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,399
so that we can again bring scientists

460
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,640
together have them collaborate

461
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:06,880
and i'm not just saying scientists we've

462
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,439
also got a lot of serious researchers

463
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,360
and business professionals

464
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,199
uh that are in different you know

465
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,760
disciplines we got every discipline

466
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:17,679
covered i think you know nuclear physics

467
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:20,559
we got mathematicians we got

468
00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:23,039
academia covered we got

469
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:25,839
you know psychology uh people on board

470
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,679
so there's a a large base of people

471
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,520
that you can now have uh you know

472
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,679
interdisciplinary kinds of conversations

473
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,679
with and they can talk about it from

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00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,280
their different angles their different

475
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:40,000
perspectives and it's just you know

476
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:41,919
we've just really blossomed

477
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:45,679
uh we've been we are 501c3 uh

478
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,760
organization which means donations and

479
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:49,679
stuff like that or we're charity

480
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,240
organization we registered that way

481
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:54,720
and in addition to that uh we hold we've

482
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been holding conferences uh we this is

483
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,120
june

484
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,840
3rd through the 5th we have our third

485
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,039
conference

486
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,280
we had our first one in 2019. lou

487
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:07,760
elizondo was our keynote speaker

488
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,400
uh we couldn't hold one in 2020 because

489
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:13,200
of covid in 2021 we had a virtual

490
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,799
conference uh hal put off was our uh

491
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,240
keynote for that

492
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,080
and then we've got the one coming up on

493
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,760
june 3rd

494
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:24,000
ryan graves is going to be actually our

495
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,080
keynote for that one

496
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,720
but we've got a great set of speakers

497
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:31,280
and panels all talking site about the

498
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,240
science

499
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:35,120
of ufology uh and so

500
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,120
uap um but anyway so that's

501
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:41,600
we've we got we publish a a newsletter

502
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,000
we're all over the internet uh

503
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:45,520
i don't know if you're aware of it or

504
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:47,919
not but there was the recent gillibrand

505
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,679
amendment that was put in at the

506
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:51,280
congressional level

507
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:54,480
at one point uh our names were there as

508
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:57,039
a part of a committee uh along with

509
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,679
project galileo to help the government

510
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,919
be able to look into this uh they

511
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,039
changed it

512
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,760
and when they were writing the ndaa uh

513
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,160
they took out those uh us

514
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,720
and galileo in there but i think that

515
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,400
they're still going to be potentially

516
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,919
down the road some sort of a

517
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:15,280
relationship that we're going to have

518
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,240
with them

519
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,320
uh although it's not stated so we're

520
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,000
excited about that

521
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:21,760
and in fact we've been

522
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:24,799
we've been also going and sharing uh

523
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,799
actually a lot about the uh the ufo

524
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:30,720
subject with other governments

525
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:33,280
so we're we were connected in canada we

526
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,960
were actually talking to one of the

527
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,200
deputy prime ministers there

528
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,720
enlightening them about the

529
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:40,480
congressional action that they could be

530
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,440
taking

531
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,080
uh and how they could support it

532
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,400
uh we've also got connections in uh

533
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,720
south america and we're reaching out to

534
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,960
those uh countries down there to be able

535
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,280
to build a relationship as well

536
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:55,679
and uh of course we'd like to see the uk

537
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,520
come on board with something

538
00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:59,760
as well but uh you know that we saw a

539
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,559
day yep so would i yeah by all means it

540
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,320
would be absolutely fantastic to have

541
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,200
the uk uh connected with us as well we

542
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,440
do have people in the uk that are

543
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:11,760
members of scu and part of us

544
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,559
uh so that's that's always encouraging

545
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:16,640
and and glad that they're they're being

546
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,440
uh willing to do that we've got people

547
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,600
in uh germany we've got also people in

548
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:23,919
uh the netherlands that are on board

549
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:27,039
with us so it's growing internationally

550
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,000
as well

551
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,080
and we're making some good college solid

552
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,600
uh connections

553
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,480
we are partners with uapx

554
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,720
we are partners with also the center for

555
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,039
ufo studies

556
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:40,240
and so

557
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,360
and

558
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:42,720
ultimately we're trying to build those

559
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:49,029
that's pretty much about yeah as far as

560
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,760
i

561
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,880
what we're yeah

562
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,640
you've done a lot in what four or five

563
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,000
years

564
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,400
since its formation has the the mission

565
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,880
statement or the objectives of the group

566
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,720
changed at all

567
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,240
no actually pretty much they're the

568
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:05,200
still the same uh the the mission is you

569
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,159
know that

570
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,240
uh obviously we're we're looking to be

571
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,240
able to have conversations with the

572
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,600
general public

573
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,840
uh also to collaborate with each other

574
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,320
and talk scientific uh affiliations and

575
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,200
have have that type of relationship uh

576
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,080
so our basically our roles uh our

577
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,640
mission there is pretty much the same

578
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,360
uh we've advanced a little bit in terms

579
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,640
of some of our directions we've gone

580
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,080
for example you know uh we've got

581
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,600
what we're trying to be able to play

582
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,480
into

583
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,039
more of a technology role in other words

584
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,200
actually purchasing equipment getting

585
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,159
the technology out there deploying it

586
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,240
there's a lot of technology online and

587
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,559
coming to fruition from a lot of

588
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:51,679
developments types ron ulch for example

589
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,480
uh is an individual that has a system

590
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,159
that he's put together

591
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,799
uh that we featured actually last year

592
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:00,799
in our uh in our

593
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,360
conference and stuff like that that that

594
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,400
basically uh is very advanced and you

595
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:08,000
know we're considering purchasing a

596
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,280
number of those

597
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,960
we'd like to be able to deploy some of

598
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:12,640
that equipment type

599
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,919
to like hot spots and have it set up

600
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,840
you know like at nuclear sites or

601
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,120
something of that nature where there

602
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:22,080
seems to be a lot of activity

603
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,520
we're also again because we are

604
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:25,760
partnered with uapx

605
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,480
you know uh we're also getting the the

606
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,480
information that they're collecting they

607
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,559
just did that study that was out along

608
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:34,080
the coast and the west coast where they

609
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,960
were

610
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,799
setting up equipment i'm they're

611
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,799
actually going to feature and discuss

612
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,960
that at the conference share the

613
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,880
evidence that they collected

614
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,559
because they did witness objects out

615
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,360
there and they collected multi-spectral

616
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
information uh that they're going to be

617
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,440
able to share with us how they studied

618
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:53,360
it how they analyzed it what did they

619
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,320
come up with and so again we're very

620
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,799
excited about that as well

621
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,960
um that's going to also be part of their

622
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,559
documentary we've discussed that on the

623
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,880
podcast the tearingthesky.com again

624
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,159
links will be in the description for

625
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,559
that and if anyone's thinking i've not

626
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,080
went into too much detail on some of the

627
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,840
work sc you have done there's some

628
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,600
fantastic listener questions coming up

629
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,960
later on that will give the listeners

630
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,960
the the credit for for asking those

631
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,400
without me having to take that so we'll

632
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,720
get there don't worry um you mentioned

633
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,320
an array of colleagues you have they're

634
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,000
rich now you've got a lot of different

635
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:26,320
areas of interest and expertise as

636
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,919
pertains to the subject of ueps or ufos

637
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,000
is there any one or two areas though

638
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:34,480
that you all share a common interest in

639
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,000
be it propulsion behaviors of of ufos

640
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,590
uh well we've we actually have a project

641
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,919
that we've got going on right now which

642
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,559
is looking at propulsion and basically

643
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,240
atmospheric effects that have been

644
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,159
witnessed in the sky

645
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,880
and in water uh so we are looking at

646
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:56,720
propulsion effects in a study that we're

647
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,520
doing

648
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,799
i don't know if that's what you're

649
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,400
looking we what we've done is we've

650
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:02,080
formed teams and we have a project

651
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,120
manager

652
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,360
yeah and in in that concept what we do

653
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,760
is we take and tackle the project we've

654
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,520
got the team coming together and uh

655
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,360
there's a variety of people that are on

656
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,039
on board with the team

657
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,200
that that are actually studying it from

658
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:18,159
a standpoint of like you know a

659
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,679
good example uh in the nimitz case you

660
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,200
had basically

661
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,520
uh lieutenant commander slate who was

662
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,320
the wizzo in the other aircraft with uh

663
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,000
against with fraber

664
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,400
you had a situation where he describes

665
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,360
seeing when the object came up and

666
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,000
before it shot off to the cap point

667
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:39,840
that it basically he noticed a

668
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,039
mirage-like effect around the object

669
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,640
and so there's an effect of the

670
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,400
atmosphere that was being seen where

671
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,400
like a little bit of light bending going

672
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,279
on

673
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,720
and then you have to like

674
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,480
determine well what could produce that

675
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,880
kind of an effect and so see people are

676
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:56,799
looking at that you've also got cases

677
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,520
where

678
00:25:03,269 --> 00:24:59,679
for example like i investigated a case

679
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,279
in in the 70s where a

680
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:04,640
wheat field

681
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,520
was a 70-foot diameter circular area

682
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,760
where for example you had

683
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,760
microwave radiation that was to being

684
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,880
detected

685
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,360
and ultimately the soil was baked two

686
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,279
feet in the ground and there were no

687
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,279
roots left of the wheat crop

688
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:22,720
and on the outer perimeter of that

689
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:25,520
70-foot diameter area was a rotational

690
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,960
pattern and then puffed wheat

691
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:29,840
so

692
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,600
looking at the that kind of

693
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,600
characteristics and really studying it

694
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,600
to see where where it's at on all the

695
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,520
cases we come across

696
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,400
uh

697
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,640
that's just one of our studies we've got

698
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,240
uh many others and i can talk to you

699
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,799
about those as well nuclear studies

700
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,120
well i was going to ask like if if i was

701
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,799
a rich benefactor and you know i won the

702
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,400
powerball or the lottery whatever it

703
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,919
might be in your chosen country and i

704
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,440
said rich i'm going gonna give you a

705
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,840
hundred million dollar donation to study

706
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:00,320
one particular area or aspect of this

707
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:04,320
phenomenon which would you go for

708
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:05,679
um

709
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,679
thing that we're trying to figure out is

710
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,559
what is the intent

711
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,640
when you have an object that's hanging

712
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,640
over a pond

713
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,080
what is it doing

714
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,799
why is it over the pond

715
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,440
why do you have cases where you have

716
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,000
objects going to nuclear uh why do you

717
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:31,120
have objects coming in of water uh what

718
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,240
is there

719
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,840
when you saw that the objects for

720
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,760
example in the nimitz case i'll just use

721
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,880
that one because a lot of people are

722
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,960
familiar with it but why do you have

723
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,600
objects dropping from 100 feet and then

724
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,760
dropping down to sea level

725
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,919
you know very quickly

726
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,799
uh

727
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,760
what was the intent of the object

728
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,559
uh

729
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,960
with regard to it circling around and

730
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,760
doing the herky-jerky pattern above that

731
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,360
whatever that object was that appeared

732
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:59,600
to be underneath the water in the ocean

733
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:00,400
right

734
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,200
so

735
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,880
one of the the most

736
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:04,559
troubling things is trying to figure out

737
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,400
what what is the intent can we determine

738
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,760
a potential

739
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,320
alien intent uh or

740
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,159
is this you know and i'll just throw up

741
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,840
you know the typical thing where we say

742
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,279
it's another government although i don't

743
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,520
necessarily agree with that and it's

744
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,440
never been another government but

745
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,520
ultimately is what's the intent behind

746
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,360
these things so one of our projects

747
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:26,880
we've got

748
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,320
is actually doing research from 1945

749
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,200
to

750
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,600
presently 1973 where we've gone back and

751
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,440
looked at all the records and we're

752
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:37,200
pulling out the

753
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:41,039
the where objects were seen next to or

754
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,159
nearby

755
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:44,559
to a nuclear

756
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,919
storage site a nuclear assembly plant a

757
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,679
nuclear stockpile

758
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,720
nuclear deployment sites as well as

759
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,440
looking at aerospace development test

760
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,559
facilities

761
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,320
it's a five-phase project that we're

762
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,240
doing all those and we have a team

763
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,360
that's going to be actually they're

764
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,799
going to be talking about this again at

765
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,799
the conference but but ultimately we

766
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,880
looked at cases that were around

767
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:09,440
everything from like white sands to

768
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,440
uh men the manzano uh test areas to like

769
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:14,559
han

770
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,880
plants that have been documented trying

771
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,559
to get as much as we can about what was

772
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,640
it seen visually was it seen rape by

773
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,440
radar was it seen optically uh by other

774
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,760
kinds of devices was it and we started

775
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,520
looking at all the devices that that was

776
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,679
happening uh in association with with

777
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,120
those cases

778
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,640
uh we are exploring 360 cases and we're

779
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,640
looking basically right now

780
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,039
to see if we can identify the the gps

781
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,080
locations where these objects were and

782
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:45,760
then what did they do when they were

783
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:48,399
next to the facility did they hover did

784
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,559
they shoot over it uh were they

785
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,360
and then looking beyond that and saying

786
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,240
well was there something at that metal

787
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,000
that facility

788
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,679
that was happening

789
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,399
that would be of interest to them to

790
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,799
come on that particularly that time

791
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:09,360
period so in other words if i were

792
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:13,039
actually getting ready to test uh or

793
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,320
test something

794
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,240
would that have triggered the uh object

795
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,559
to then come at that time

796
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,880
uh also we're looking at the fact that

797
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,360
you you might have a situation where you

798
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,080
they were planning to transfer nuclear

799
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,600
material

800
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,200
and so maybe that might have been the

801
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,679
trigger for it so we're actually looking

802
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,720
very

803
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,760
intently if you would at those

804
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,760
types of things to see if we can

805
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,799
understand

806
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,279
what is the draw what did they do when

807
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,799
they were there

808
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,360
what did the witnesses say that they did

809
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,919
uh and comparing all that stuff and then

810
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:50,720
we're using also as a control sample

811
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,080
where we're looking at the the nearby

812
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,399
air force bases if there were any we're

813
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,480
looking at as well as the population

814
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,399
centers that are nearby some of these

815
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,480
facilities to see if there was any

816
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,360
increase in terms of like you know uh

817
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,840
the object sightings in the town as

818
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,919
opposed to uh

819
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,240
at that site so

820
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,000
we're doing that

821
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,159
that's one thing where i you know i'm

822
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:18,480
extremely encouraged by that number two

823
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,679
i think the the the actual deployment of

824
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,080
technical equipment is going to going to

825
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:26,399
get us the big bang for the buck

826
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,520
and so

827
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,080
in regards to the the money i think that

828
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:33,279
ultimately if we took all the the types

829
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:37,120
of cameras and and uh radar kinds of

830
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,159
things that we can get that are

831
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,080
military-grade equipment

832
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,480
and we actually set that up

833
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,480
and you actually could potentially

834
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,279
create a what we call in the it world in

835
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,320
the defense

836
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,960
called a honeypot which is ultimately i

837
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,799
go out and put some honey out there and

838
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,720
the bees come to the honey right well

839
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,039
have the objects come to you and then be

840
00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:00,080
prepared to actually capture a 360

841
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,120
degree

842
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,840
layer of equipment around that area and

843
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,159
capture it from multiple angles which

844
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,000
will give you the altitude it'll give

845
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,000
you the apparent size of the object

846
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,519
it'll give you some sort of an

847
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,840
indication from the 360 degree view that

848
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,120
i'm talking about

849
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,279
in both the optical as well as the uh

850
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,519
the thermal and some of the other parts

851
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,200
of the electromagnetic spectrum that we

852
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,960
don't typically get into

853
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,200
also looking at gamma radiation looking

854
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,960
at a whole variety of other things

855
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,720
that's going to give us the biggest bang

856
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,919
for the buck

857
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,080
now i want to ask what sort of honey are

858
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,760
you using to attract any of those

859
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,159
potential bees because

860
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,840
most folk i'm going to presume would

861
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,840
think it's some kind of nuclear material

862
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,679
because like you've just said before

863
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,440
nuclear nuclear nuclear and there's a

864
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,440
huge connection i would ask you know is

865
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,880
that the case how would you go about

866
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,120
that but also do you have any working

867
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,559
hypothesis

868
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,519
as to why these objects may be so drawn

869
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,159
to the nuclear capabilities or nuclear

870
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,640
power stations etc

871
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,720
well i okay so

872
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,640
i think that that's what the intent of

873
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,799
the study is to really understand

874
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:07,039
why it is that they're attracted to them

875
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,320
uh

876
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,159
we do look at it from the standpoint i

877
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,480
mean obviously when you have uh these

878
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
craft or the whatever these objects are

879
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,679
uh and wherever they're from

880
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,360
there's a variety of

881
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,840
things you can speculate on number one

882
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:23,840
let me give you an example

883
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,279
so uh there's you know objects that are

884
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,120
one of the hypotheses for the actual

885
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,240
ufos is that they're time travelers that

886
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,399
they're actually us from a potential

887
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,960
future time that are coming back and

888
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,240
actually

889
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,159
maneuvering through time they pop into

890
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,120
our our airspace if you would people see

891
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,039
them and they zip up we don't know where

892
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,840
they go after that right they're gone

893
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,320
uh and you know the fact that you have

894
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,320
descriptions of beings looking very

895
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,279
humanoid-like two eyes two arms two legs

896
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,279
you know that type of thing and then

897
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,600
they're bipedal that would give you give

898
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,679
you well potentially they're us from a

899
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,159
future time and then so if you looked at

900
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,559
what that hypothesis lands on you could

901
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,240
say well wait a minute maybe at some

902
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,559
point down the pike

903
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,720
we're going to blow ourselves up and

904
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,960
they're trying to influence that right

905
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,360
so let me set instead of like you know

906
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,480
so they've sent me a message by

907
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,200
knocking out like a set of 20 missiles

908
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,919
under a silo could be a message that i'm

909
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,240
trying to send right yeah

910
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,880
uh that that could be one scenario you

911
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,559
know if you look at it with a different

912
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,039
lens on and say well wait a minute there

913
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:37,039
could they be an intelligence that's

914
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,159
basically based under the ocean

915
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,320
and now they're popping in and around

916
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,240
water they seem to be around there

917
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,919
there's a good strong connection between

918
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,080
ufo sightings and water

919
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,919
could you potentially have a situation

920
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:52,480
where and it seems like that

921
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,480
around 1947 they suddenly came in mass

922
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,080
you know after the one the kenneth

923
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,760
arnold sighting not that there weren't

924
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,159
sightings before that but there were in

925
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,720
mass they were seen after that and in

926
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:06,399
fact the whole country was reporting

927
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,360
them

928
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,760
flying discs were everywhere right and

929
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,040
so

930
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,720
what were we doing around that time with

931
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,800
nuclear well guess what we were setting

932
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,960
them off we were we were doing atomic

933
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,359
tests underneath the oceans

934
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,720
and the atolls

935
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,399
and we were you know bombing the heck

936
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,720
out of you know that the atolls and the

937
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,200
water right yeah well that would be a

938
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,800
concern if you're living under water

939
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,240
maybe right

940
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,960
if you have a base under there so why

941
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,879
wouldn't you want to pop up and try to

942
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,280
influence or change that and watch what

943
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,440
the little ants are doing

944
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,000
above you know ground and try to see if

945
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,480
you could uh send a message

946
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,000
well the message might be to go the

947
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,200
missile base

948
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,839
deactivate the missiles and you know and

949
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,760
send a message that quit playing with

950
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,960
nukes right

951
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,839
yeah

952
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,040
okay

953
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,399
i was going to ask did you happen to

954
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,079
catch linda moulton house speaking to

955
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,560
luella zondo in the last week

956
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,800
i didn't yet i i've been too busy with

957
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,240
the conference and everything else that

958
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,160
i'm putting together and i just haven't

959
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,839
had the time to see it but

960
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,920
there was a small section yeah there was

961
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,599
there was a part where linda milton how

962
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,760
asked lou about the

963
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,280
she talks about a few different things

964
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,920
and alien civilizations being on the

965
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,240
planet for 270 million years and three

966
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,000
different types of races but within that

967
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,000
she talks about the idea that alien

968
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,839
races won't let us blow each other up

969
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:28,240
with nuclear weapons because you know

970
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:29,920
it's in their best interest they're

971
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,320
looking out for is and and lou makes the

972
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,000
point that well they never stopped you

973
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,400
know hiroshima and nagasaki they never

974
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,320
stopped any number of the thousands of

975
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,079
nuclear tests that happen every year

976
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,640
that's above ground in the water or you

977
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,960
know out in deserts and linda just has

978
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,599
to say yep that's a fair point

979
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,839
again do you think again it's

980
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,440
speculating but

981
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,800
they're turning these things on and off

982
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,680
but at what point does that warning

983
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,200
it stops becoming a warning and either

984
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,400
they let it happen

985
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,680
or they do something about it themselves

986
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,040
well that's a good question because

987
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,040
that's you know ultimately

988
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:07,280
you know it's fun speculating about it

989
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:08,240
and

990
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,560
an alien race would be thinking which i

991
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,760
don't but ultimately it's a situation

992
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,720
where

993
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:18,640
there are subtle hints to that that are

994
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,160
given even if you look at uh and

995
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,400
investigate abduction cases

996
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,560
if you take a look at abduction cases

997
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,320
you have a situation where a lot of the

998
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,800
report being taken aboard

999
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,200
the craft and at the same time they're

1000
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,119
shown like a video of the earth being

1001
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,800
annihilated

1002
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,880
by some sort of disaster of some sort

1003
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,760
right

1004
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,440
and and then you try to like you know

1005
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,560
sit back and say well what's that about

1006
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,800
do they care about us you know do they

1007
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,320
is there a care there

1008
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:49,119
uh

1009
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,839
and

1010
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:51,680
the answer would be probably you know if

1011
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,119
you looked at

1012
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,599
the cases you'd say well maybe they do

1013
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,440
care about us you know that they they

1014
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,480
are concerned uh and so ultimately it's

1015
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,720
a situation where they may have had a

1016
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,320
relationship if you look throughout

1017
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,640
history and of course jacques valet did

1018
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,880
that wonders in the sky and a whole

1019
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,119
bunch of other people have captured that

1020
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,960
you know you can very readily say that

1021
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,359
every part of the planet has had had

1022
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:17,200
ufos or something like that that they

1023
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,640
couldn't identify

1024
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:20,240
many of them called them gods or various

1025
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,440
other things that came down from the

1026
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,440
skies or whatever but there's been that

1027
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,760
relationship between us and them for a

1028
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,560
very very long time so

1029
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,200
you know and it i'll this is like way

1030
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,960
off the deep end but you know and

1031
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,760
certainly there's no proof for it but

1032
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,280
if you look at the the abduction

1033
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,800
phenomena you'd say that well wait a

1034
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,240
minute it looks like they're doing some

1035
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,160
sort of genetic manipulation if you want

1036
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,320
to buy all that whole thing

1037
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,599
well

1038
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,440
how did we come about

1039
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,839
and was that genetic manipulation and

1040
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,000
maybe they're actually helping

1041
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:55,200
us to evolve right or maybe that's what

1042
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,760
led into our eventual evolution uh so

1043
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:01,760
again it's just speculation but it you

1044
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,040
know there's we don't know and because

1045
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,040
we don't know uh we don't know where

1046
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,640
they're from we don't know what their

1047
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,040
intent is we struggle with trying to

1048
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,040
figure out all these things and trying

1049
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,280
to paint them and think of them as you

1050
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,440
know what humans would think of you know

1051
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,119
how would we think right

1052
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,359
when it might be totally different

1053
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,000
and so ultimately it's a situation where

1054
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,599
you know you try to make sense out of

1055
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,839
nonsense if you would and what it would

1056
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,839
appear to me is that

1057
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,440
that they have been here they are

1058
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,520
concerned about us playing with nuclear

1059
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
toys and that they potentially

1060
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,440
might stop us

1061
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:39,599
because ultimately

1062
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:40,560
they're

1063
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,960
you know and so we might wipe out the

1064
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,440
entire planet and maybe at that point

1065
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,599
that's when they really come in and say

1066
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,240
all right you guys stop and i i go and

1067
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,599
harken back to

1068
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,839
you know i told you when i got started

1069
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,839
i had to my teacher told me to talk

1070
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,200
about ufos and i said well flying

1071
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:01,200
sausages i saw on science fiction shows

1072
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,079
right

1073
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,000
the earth the day the earth stood still

1074
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,480
is about the same kind of concept there

1075
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,079
you know i mean if you think about it

1076
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,000
it's like we're about ready to destroy

1077
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,000
ourselves or something like that and so

1078
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,000
the message there was quit playing with

1079
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,720
these toys you know and start working

1080
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,119
together as humanity and i'd certainly

1081
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:21,440
love to have that happen but i mean it

1082
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,320
hasn't happened but there's been uh

1083
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,240
that's that would be one another way of

1084
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,680
looking at the the nuclear type of thing

1085
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,520
i think organizations though that all

1086
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:32,960
these questions we're coming up with and

1087
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,680
speculating seo galileo project and

1088
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,680
others are trying to get some answers to

1089
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,680
some of these which is wonderful i want

1090
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,520
to ask you though rich over the last few

1091
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,560
years

1092
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,400
what to you has been the most compelling

1093
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:47,200
evidence for ufos being constructed by

1094
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,870
well i mean

1095
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,040
you have to look at the nimitz case i

1096
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:58,000
mean that that that case has got you

1097
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,359
know

1098
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,599
visual it's got radar

1099
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:03,040
it's got uh

1100
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,560
there were one point there was like i

1101
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:06,960
believe to be some sort of sonar uh

1102
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,240
detection of something uh but you have

1103
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,440
you have uh all that that high advanced

1104
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,400
equipment that was there witnessing uh

1105
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:18,960
or actually capturing a lot of

1106
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,760
information that we typically don't get

1107
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:24,160
and i think that on that one particular

1108
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:25,200
case

1109
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:26,560
that you see

1110
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,599
a tremendous amount of evidence

1111
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,520
and that's the one we spent the most

1112
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,319
time documented in fact our report is up

1113
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:36,960
on our website is is basically

1114
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:40,480
i think it's it's now not 177 it's 277

1115
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,760
pages long and it's like you know we

1116
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,079
actually interviewed the pilots we

1117
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,920
interviewed the people on the princeton

1118
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,920
we interviewed the uh

1119
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,520
other people who were around on the

1120
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,800
different ships

1121
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,680
and

1122
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,280
it to me it

1123
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,640
you know when you when we looked at it

1124
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,119
from the physics standpoint okay

1125
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,560
when you have an object that's being

1126
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,640
described that goes from twenty thousand

1127
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:03,839
feet

1128
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,520
and it instantaneously stops above sea

1129
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,480
level in less than one second point set

1130
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,960
in 0.78 seconds right

1131
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,640
when we do the math and we do the

1132
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,920
physics on that and we look at that okay

1133
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,440
first off

1134
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,200
if you have an object that's about the

1135
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,240
size of the f-15

1136
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,560
aircraft or you know the f-18 aircraft

1137
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,119
excuse me uh if you have a

1138
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,720
and you assume that it has about that

1139
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,560
same amount of weight

1140
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:35,280
and you took that and you dropped it if

1141
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,240
you would

1142
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,839
think about that it's gotta it's gonna

1143
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,440
accelerate down

1144
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,599
and then about maybe halfway point our

1145
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,079
technology would say you'd have to

1146
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,400
you know put on the brakes if you would

1147
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,680
and in order to stop above the water

1148
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,599
so

1149
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,040
think about that in terms of the

1150
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,359
acceleration down halfway point and then

1151
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,079
suddenly now it's decelerating to

1152
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,560
actually come to a complete stop

1153
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,680
we haven't got anything that could do

1154
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:02,640
that

1155
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,240
would have disintegrated on the way down

1156
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,480
because it couldn't have taken

1157
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:13,040
uh that kind of g-force

1158
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,400
at all

1159
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,839
you have an object that was recorded uh

1160
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,119
both on

1161
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,319
video

1162
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,839
as well as the when uh fraber saw it go

1163
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,760
to the cap point

1164
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,640
uh

1165
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,720
as well as you have a measurement of the

1166
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,520
object that if you were dropping from 20

1167
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,680
000 feet and stopping at sea level so

1168
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,280
there's three different measures there

1169
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:36,800
all of them exceeded something on a

1170
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,079
scale of about mach 50 or 55

1171
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,520
you know and so with that kind of speed

1172
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,359
which we have nothing on the planet that

1173
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,440
can do that at all

1174
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,839
and we've got nothing structurally that

1175
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,240
could have withstood the g-force we have

1176
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,480
nothing that were that that actually can

1177
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,599
basically make it zero mass if you would

1178
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,319
where it was dropping from that height

1179
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,000
no sonic boom

1180
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,000
the kinetic power would have been the

1181
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,920
equivalent of the output of hoover dam

1182
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:10,240
and so

1183
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,520
how do you have any and it's not

1184
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:15,040
aerodynamically sound at all in terms of

1185
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,240
the shape

1186
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,079
there were no indications of any

1187
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,520
propulsion system on that object at all

1188
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,760
and you're not seeing any massive

1189
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,560
heating up in the atmosphere of an

1190
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,800
object like you would if you had

1191
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,520
something that was by hypersonic

1192
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,280
all these hypersonic missiles are going

1193
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,359
more than mach 5.

1194
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,800
you know they heat up in the atmosphere

1195
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,079
so you have to have the right materials

1196
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,079
to be able to deal with that we haven't

1197
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,000
got anything that can overcome that and

1198
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,400
yet when you take a look at that one

1199
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:46,560
case

1200
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,359
1955

1201
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,319
or something 1954 where they talk about

1202
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,160
an object that was hovering and that

1203
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:58,960
when it took instantaneous acceleration

1204
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,760
would shoot off make 90 degree turns

1205
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:04,400
that would that would not apparently

1206
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,079
heat up there was no sound no sonic boom

1207
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,000
and so the similarities throughout

1208
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,960
history have always been the same as it

1209
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:15,760
was with the tic tac so the tic tac

1210
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:19,839
is not necessarily unusual in itself

1211
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,960
it's it's the fact that you had so much

1212
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,079
excellent

1213
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,960
credible witnesses that makes to me in

1214
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,079
my mind

1215
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,280
the the most compelling case

1216
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,040
it's an event i know very well

1217
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,560
especially during the podcast everyone

1218
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,000
brings it up people ask me about it

1219
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,240
outside and work and things like that

1220
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,000
but when you when you rhyme off all

1221
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,839
those data points and measurements and

1222
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,200
sources

1223
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,280
it brings it back to how incredible that

1224
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:48,000
event is and and was

1225
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,599
why aren't more

1226
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:51,359
mainstream scientists if i can use that

1227
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,319
phrase

1228
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,839
interested in

1229
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,240
that particular case when if you want to

1230
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,079
forget about laughing about ufos and

1231
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,079
flying saucers on little green men when

1232
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,760
you go to scientists and surely the

1233
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,920
whole idea of being a scientist or you

1234
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,160
know being involved in physics and

1235
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,440
engineering when you hear about

1236
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,520
something doing that why aren't more

1237
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,599
people gravitating towards this subject

1238
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,829
well i think i think you're seeing the

1239
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,119
change and it might be very slow but

1240
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,280
ultimately you are getting mainstream

1241
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,839
scientists that are now getting engaged

1242
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:25,440
and coming out like i talked about with

1243
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,640
our increasing numbers even in seo and

1244
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,040
the fact you have project galileo the

1245
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,119
fact that you have the the american

1246
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,720
institute for

1247
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,119
aeronautics and astronautics now having

1248
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,119
an actual community of interest that's

1249
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,440
going to be led by ryan graves and we've

1250
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,680
got a number of members on it that's

1251
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,839
indicating that this thing is opening up

1252
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,640
in a lot of different ways slowly but it

1253
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,880
is nevertheless there and then you have

1254
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,280
the other thing where i think mainstream

1255
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,119
scientists are still trying to catch up

1256
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,599
with well who do i go to what do i who

1257
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,960
do i talk with

1258
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,400
they're not as familiar with you know

1259
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,920
maybe yes to you they haven't even heard

1260
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,680
of us or something that you know so

1261
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:06,000
ultimately it might be that type of

1262
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:07,040
thing and they've never made the

1263
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,079
connection

1264
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,880
but gradually they're all coming on and

1265
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,880
the more we have these conversations and

1266
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:15,040
the more that you know like that others

1267
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,160
are out there

1268
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,839
and they hear about that case for

1269
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,000
example and they actually get the data

1270
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,440
points from it

1271
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,200
and that's why we published our paper

1272
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,880
stuck it up on our website hoping that

1273
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,800
people we can point people to it and get

1274
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,319
those scientists to actually take a look

1275
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,319
at what our study was and then go do

1276
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,040
their own you know uh and then you know

1277
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,640
ultimately we're still hoping that at

1278
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,640
some point down the pike

1279
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:37,839
that

1280
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,640
maybe just maybe you'll have the

1281
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,400
government being willing to work with

1282
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,000
academia or or with us you know or other

1283
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,200
non-uh governmental organizations

1284
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,520
to help study the phenomena and then

1285
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:53,920
we'll learn something from that study

1286
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,079
and so i think that i think we're

1287
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,040
getting there it's relatively slow

1288
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,480
but you still have people that are

1289
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,200
waking up to this subject uh not

1290
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,599
everybody in the country has jumped on

1291
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,520
just because we were on talking about it

1292
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,359
on the internet or we were talking about

1293
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,160
it up you know on the news

1294
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,680
uh there's

1295
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,400
there are still a lot of stigma uh out

1296
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,240
there with this you've got religious

1297
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,400
groups that won't you know do it uh

1298
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,240
won't talk about it there are a lot of

1299
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,160
people that still won't report because

1300
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,640
they're afraid of humiliation

1301
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,319
uh and uh

1302
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,440
you know so it's gonna take a while

1303
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,119
and i think that that what we're

1304
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,760
starting to see is with technology like

1305
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,200
we got here where we're having a

1306
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,520
conversation across the pond that

1307
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,119
ultimately is a situation where we're

1308
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,599
getting more and more of the news out

1309
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,160
and and now we're starting to see other

1310
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,000
governments who are again wanting to

1311
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,800
come on board and also study it so i

1312
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,559
think it's it's just going to take time

1313
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,559
but it will happen

1314
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,839
and you mentioned the government

1315
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,760
particularly in the united states seem

1316
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,960
to be the most

1317
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,359
powering forward in this topic with the

1318
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,359
gillibrand amendment being discussed by

1319
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,680
senators congressmen congresswoman at

1320
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,359
various different levels

1321
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,599
the the task force report of last year

1322
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,520
for some was it was a big thing for some

1323
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,280
it was a damp scrub and for others they

1324
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,960
were curious and waiting to see what

1325
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,280
else would come out do you think the new

1326
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,200
permanent office is going to be set up

1327
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,000
whether it's say ao imsg or azero or

1328
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:23,680
whatever they end up being amalgamated

1329
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:24,480
to

1330
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,920
yeah

1331
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,680
certainly i understand a lot of people

1332
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,440
thinking that this is going to be like

1333
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,319
project blue book you know was uh and

1334
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,160
they want to do that comparison i don't

1335
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,559
think that it's at all like project blue

1336
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:44,800
book uh

1337
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,079
project blue book was basically a uh

1338
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,079
like if you think about like a public

1339
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,440
front

1340
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,280
it wasn't it had like about four people

1341
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,640
on the staff

1342
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,319
uh and that's about it

1343
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,000
uh and they collected the information

1344
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,760
took the reports and then they would

1345
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,960
tell you how many reports that they

1346
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
received in a certain period of time

1347
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,359
but did it have a whole cadre of

1348
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:07,040
scientists in the background that were

1349
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:08,160
studying it

1350
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,960
no

1351
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,640
it leveraged some of the other

1352
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,480
organizations like foreign technology

1353
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,359
division uh at the base or it used to be

1354
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,280
called attic and then it became foreign

1355
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,079
technology now it's called nasic

1356
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,240
anyway the uh

1357
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,920
they would leverage those people to help

1358
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,000
them with some cases they obviously had

1359
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,119
heinek as a consultant uh to go out and

1360
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,119
to basically

1361
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:33,760
debunk cases up until the time that he

1362
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,559
left

1363
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,319
and so you know you had that kind of

1364
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:37,359
thing going on

1365
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,040
this is a an entire government study

1366
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:42,960
this uh the reason why they called it

1367
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,680
the uh the synchronization or management

1368
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,760
synchronization management or management

1369
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:50,400
synchronization uh is because they've

1370
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,359
got a synchrony uh synchronized between

1371
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,079
the title 50 and the title uh title 10

1372
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,079
organizations that are out there where

1373
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,400
you have like you know uh

1374
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,760
you know noah

1375
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,200
might have something to do with

1376
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,359
reporting the weather you know i mean

1377
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,040
our weather reporting you might have

1378
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,040
these other organizations like that that

1379
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,440
ought to be engaged or can help provide

1380
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:14,079
that so it's a total government kind of

1381
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,800
like

1382
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,040
look at this whole subject

1383
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,240
which is never happened before

1384
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,040
number two there's actually good solid

1385
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,040
funding that's going to be applied to it

1386
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,480
where it's actually going to now

1387
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,119
leverage those smart people that are in

1388
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,200
the organizations i'm a defense

1389
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,040
contractor myself i work for army

1390
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,319
material command right they i can i

1391
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,920
because i've got a clearance i would be

1392
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:39,839
able to participate if they chose to

1393
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,200
include a a study whereas my

1394
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,440
counterparts in seo or not in the

1395
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,440
government don't have a government not

1396
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:49,760
working on a contract might not be able

1397
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,720
to engage or be a part of that and so

1398
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,800
but if you look at all the industries

1399
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,119
around the military it's a lot of smart

1400
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,680
people that they could bring to bear on

1401
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,000
the topic and so ultimately i think

1402
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,079
we're going to get great answers

1403
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,599
that we normally

1404
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,200
didn't have before

1405
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,040
at the same time you're you're also

1406
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,880
going to get more reporting

1407
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,319
because they're trying to change the

1408
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,559
paradigm and if you think about all the

1409
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,079
advanced equipment that we've got out

1410
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,319
there on the military we spend millions

1411
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,480
of dollars on that stuff you know on

1412
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,640
just one aircraft we spend you know

1413
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,480
alone the equipment there the like the

1414
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,559
at fleur is a million dollars and more

1415
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,000
you know so

1416
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:30,319
what i'm talking about it's the the most

1417
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,599
advanced optical the most it's using

1418
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,440
satellite it would be looking at all

1419
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,280
these different kinds of parameters to

1420
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,599
bring that together so we really can

1421
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,160
make a determination as to finally

1422
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,839
what these things are

1423
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,079
and i think from that

1424
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,599
you know you're probably going to have

1425
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,599
the general public will be getting drips

1426
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,000
and drabs of it we'll probably get some

1427
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,640
sort of the reports but it's not go

1428
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:56,960
it'll gradually i think it'll work its

1429
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,839
way out because i think that ultimately

1430
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,599
whatever the conclusion is it's not

1431
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,359
going to be where you can close it down

1432
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:05,200
and not talk about it

1433
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,990
you know so secondly it's going to be a

1434
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,520
situation where

1435
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,280
it'll get out and then they've got to

1436
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,800
own up to the fact that they've got

1437
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,040
something but right now the big thing is

1438
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,440
to try to get organized it's about

1439
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,280
trying to get all these organizations to

1440
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,839
work cooperatively together it's about

1441
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,640
getting a central database if you would

1442
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,720
bringing it all together you know get

1443
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,440
the reporting in structure in place and

1444
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,920
having all these reports how do you send

1445
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,079
your data like if you got sonar data how

1446
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,599
do i get that now

1447
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,079
it's changing uh all the devices that

1448
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,760
we've got out there with military

1449
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,880
systems

1450
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,040
to be able to make sure it's calibrated

1451
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,359
or set to the right settings to be able

1452
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,319
to help us to detect objects

1453
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:53,680
uh

1454
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:56,880
i'm i'm also engaged on a project at the

1455
00:53:01,190 --> 00:53:00,000
army uh actually it's the entire dod

1456
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,200
right now

1457
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,920
which we're actually installing

1458
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:06,160
uh a counter measure

1459
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,880
uh uas system kind of like uh weapon

1460
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,680
if you would it would be able to knock

1461
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,599
drones out of the sky it would be able

1462
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,280
to detect their presence coming on to

1463
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:19,359
our military installations

1464
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,400
uh

1465
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,720
or or anywhere of our real estate if you

1466
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,520
would uh at the same time it would be

1467
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,440
able to take over the control of that

1468
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,079
drone we'd also know where the operator

1469
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,079
is actually flying from

1470
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,839
uh and so

1471
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,200
i'm right now

1472
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,760
installing those and the army bases that

1473
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,599
i that i work with

1474
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,599
and so again that's another set of

1475
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,000
measures because they've got acoustic

1476
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,000
sensors they would be able to detect

1477
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,160
things acoustically they spectrally

1478
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,000
they'd be able to detect things they

1479
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,559
would be able to visually detect things

1480
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,960
and they can tell that that object is

1481
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,599
now moving into the facility and now

1482
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,599
they can do something about it

1483
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,040
and so

1484
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,200
that's the kind of like level of sensors

1485
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,839
you want to have around this thing and i

1486
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,280
think that the government now can

1487
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:09,200
address that use the scientists that

1488
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,000
they have to be able to figure that out

1489
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,160
and to help us to do the research and

1490
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,800
figure out what that these things are

1491
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,160
if you don't mind rich i'd like to use

1492
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,440
the last of the time we've got to get

1493
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,880
through some listener questions if you

1494
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,839
can

1495
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,720
sure

1496
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,319
brilliant uh and i've got a good range

1497
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,920
of topics here to cover so hopefully if

1498
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,359
there's anything been missed in the body

1499
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,119
of the interview it's answered within

1500
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,720
listener questions and then maybe if

1501
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,400
rich has a few minutes at the end i've

1502
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,400
got a quick fire around it it dusts off

1503
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,400
anything else and the first question is

1504
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,440
from dan

1505
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,520
yes dan the co-host for anyone checking

1506
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,760
in um given the amount of data that was

1507
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,000
gathered by uap study programs on the

1508
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,280
biological effects of uap on humans will

1509
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,440
you be working with experiencers like

1510
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,119
abductees or people who claim to have

1511
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,440
touched craft or got needed to catalogue

1512
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:55,359
the data

1513
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,119
um we and seu are not going that

1514
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,640
direction and let me clarify why

1515
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,520
uh bottom line there is that

1516
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,520
there's there's this phenomenon has got

1517
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,359
a lot of different things to it

1518
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,280
there it includes everything from the

1519
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,520
experiencer level which would be you'd

1520
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:15,359
have to have psychologists you'd have to

1521
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,240
have

1522
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,319
you know everything from

1523
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,040
the medical field and everybody engaged

1524
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,880
in that study okay

1525
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,119
uh that's something that's going well

1526
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:26,960
beyond what we're about

1527
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,319
we're focusing on just the ufo alone to

1528
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,640
see if we can understand is physics how

1529
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,640
it flies what it does

1530
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,040
and to keep focused on that

1531
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:39,119
we believe that over the period of the

1532
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,799
history of ufos

1533
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,640
all these distractions and these other

1534
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,559
kinds of things that are out there have

1535
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:46,880
kept us from really having a full course

1536
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:50,240
bore study on just that aspect

1537
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,280
right

1538
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,240
so we focused on that kind of data we're

1539
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,319
looking at the how to the physics of the

1540
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,760
object how they maneuver in the

1541
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:59,839
atmosphere what are they doing how are

1542
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,319
they getting around and we have not gone

1543
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,720
into the experience or world we believe

1544
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,640
that the experiencer world has got to

1545
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,720
develop its own discipline

1546
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,559
i know that i was the state director of

1547
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,640
alabama i would receive reports of

1548
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,119
people that would show me their arm and

1549
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,920
it would have a golf ball sized kind of

1550
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,160
like uh protrusion in it and they would

1551
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,920
say that that's an implant well that

1552
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,760
wasn't anything like the other implants

1553
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,680
that were relatively small that nobody

1554
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,440
knew about right so they would come up

1555
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,280
and they would tell you that and weeding

1556
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,799
through all that you know and trying to

1557
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,400
figure that well and then you'd ask the

1558
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:34,160
individual well did you go to a doctor

1559
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,599
and have it looked at

1560
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,359
which doctor do i go to to have it

1561
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,440
looked at if that's allegedly an implant

1562
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,599
the size of a golf ball did you go to

1563
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,760
your regular doctor no do we have

1564
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,599
funding and money to be able to support

1565
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,520
looking at everybody's arms with bumps

1566
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,799
on them scars marks no

1567
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:53,520
so consequently you're not getting until

1568
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,240
that

1569
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,640
discipline is put into place

1570
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,160
where you're actually studying this and

1571
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,640
you have a way of weeding out all the

1572
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,960
the the unidentifieds or the the or the

1573
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,920
the excuse me the identifieds and making

1574
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,599
it and then going after the cases that

1575
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,760
are very strong with the right medical

1576
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,599
team the right psychological team the

1577
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,839
right you you name it and doing it

1578
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,160
immediately uh we're not going to

1579
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:17,440
approach that

1580
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:18,240
so

1581
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,480
seu is focused on the ufo

1582
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,920
that's a fair answer

1583
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,079
craig who's one of the longest listeners

1584
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,559
to the podcast hi craig asks can rich

1585
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,119
comment on the scu analysis of the

1586
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,319
rubber duck uap video

1587
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,520
as a matter of fact

1588
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,400
that right now that analysis is going

1589
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,400
through peer review we've actually put

1590
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,960
the report together uh it's being peer

1591
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,000
reviewed

1592
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:45,680
uh we're hoping to have that out

1593
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,559
probably by and finalized as far as the

1594
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,760
peer review study uh by within the next

1595
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,040
two months

1596
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,240
uh bottom line on that i and

1597
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,359
is that

1598
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,680
the the it's a similar situation where

1599
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,079
you have homeland security the customs

1600
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,920
border protection people

1601
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,079
engaged in and watching an object that

1602
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,960
was near the the border uh

1603
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,640
and

1604
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,960
potentially what you look at it on

1605
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,760
thermal and we uh we understand thermal

1606
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,240
uh usually it has like settings it's

1607
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:19,760
it's basically you know it might be

1608
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,480
black hot or white as hot

1609
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,440
and so in this case in that one it was

1610
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:27,839
basically black was hot which meant that

1611
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,319
the thermal contrast between like towels

1612
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,480
on the ground or whatever

1613
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,880
would be warmer than what you'd see on

1614
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,880
the object that was seen there

1615
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,040
uh you have an object there that that

1616
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,760
basically maneuvered around for over 40

1617
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,880
minutes

1618
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,640
uh you know and

1619
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,680
was was video recorded as even the

1620
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,520
object went around it you know or the

1621
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:51,760
aircraft went around it and did loops

1622
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,160
and parallel uh parallax what had to be

1623
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,359
focused on as well in this study but

1624
00:59:03,190 --> 00:58:59,760
ultimately it doesn't the thermal

1625
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,200
signature doesn't match anything that we

1626
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:04,799
typically know of

1627
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,000
uh it was extremely cold

1628
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:09,599
and so

1629
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,480
what would be cold like that that would

1630
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,799
yield that kind of a thermal temperature

1631
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:16,640
and we when we compare that against

1632
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,760
other kinds of objects like if drone

1633
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,520
somebody suggested it might have been a

1634
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,839
parachute with a payload on it

1635
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,640
uh that that was actually seen and that

1636
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,079
would give the rubber ducky kind of

1637
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,480
appearance well first off the balloon

1638
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,680
idea

1639
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:34,319
is doesn't work because it's going in

1640
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:37,599
directions against wind at times and so

1641
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,000
you have also the fact that ultimately

1642
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,119
the uh

1643
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,839
the object itself is completely cold and

1644
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,760
it would nothing like a parachute would

1645
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,599
give that kind of like or a balloon

1646
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,960
would have given you that kind of like

1647
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,119
thermal image so there's a lot of these

1648
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,559
types of things that i'm talking about

1649
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,280
that we we expand on in the paper

1650
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,200
but we we ultimately come up with the

1651
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:59,680
fact that it remains uh inconclusive

1652
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,480
it's it's an anomaly anomalous we don't

1653
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,880
know what it is it doesn't correspond

1654
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,640
with anything that we

1655
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,040
typically think of as being conventional

1656
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,119
or natural

1657
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,040
next up another long-term listener and

1658
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,280
supporter dave smithers uh dave you sent

1659
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,119
a lot of questions thank you but this

1660
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,880
one i've picked to ask rich

1661
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,599
does rich think that some uap are more

1662
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:27,270
are more advanced than others yeah and i

1663
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,720
think what dave's talking about isn't

1664
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,040
any that potentially may be you know a

1665
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:32,960
better drone than someone else's but are

1666
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,680
we seeing potentially non-human

1667
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,760
objects here where some of them are

1668
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,760
actually better models they're faster

1669
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,599
they perform better or have better

1670
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,599
characteristics

1671
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,680
let me tell you that number one from

1672
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,119
what we've seen and we're doing it what

1673
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,079
we it's called a a

1674
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,880
a characteristics study right now where

1675
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:54,400
we're going through history looking at

1676
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,359
shape uh and motion and various other

1677
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,720
things and we're doing that throughout

1678
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:01,280
history of the reports uh and we're

1679
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,720
putting that study together which hasn't

1680
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,319
been released it'll be it'll also be

1681
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,400
talked about at the conference uh in

1682
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,799
june but uh

1683
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,799
what we find out is that it doesn't

1684
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,319
matter what shape it is we've got

1685
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,079
objects that are dumbbell shaped we've

1686
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,160
got objects that are around we have

1687
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,920
excuse me objects that are site if you

1688
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,720
look at the alaska airlines uh event

1689
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,559
that took place

1690
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,920
you know that was there was an object

1691
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:25,760
that was almost the size of like i think

1692
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,240
beyond an aircraft carrier i mean it was

1693
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,400
huge and then you have objects that are

1694
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,319
being seen that can maneuver with the

1695
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,559
same efficiency and speed

1696
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,400
uh that might be the size of a

1697
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,559
grapefruit

1698
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,520
and so

1699
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,400
we've got objects that expand that whole

1700
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,480
range of sizes

1701
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:47,280
that perform with the same ease

1702
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,319
so

1703
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:50,160
when we put that into context we say

1704
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:51,760
that well basically it doesn't matter

1705
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:57,750
but the big bigger question is

1706
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:00,799
where are they developing

1707
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:04,160
or maybe about even be where and when

1708
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:07,839
are these objects coming from

1709
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,119
and are they coming from the same source

1710
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,680
or are they coming from multiple

1711
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,000
origination points if you would yeah

1712
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,760
like the time phenomenon

1713
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,599
if you had that craft built you could be

1714
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:21,119
coming back with different craft you

1715
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,240
have at different times you're

1716
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,079
developing it in the future right

1717
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,680
just like we have different kinds of

1718
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,079
shapes designs in it and

1719
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:30,000
then if you allegedly think that they're

1720
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,670
there must be one hell of a production

1721
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,359
plant down there to build all these

1722
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:39,039
different models and why would you do

1723
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:40,400
that

1724
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:44,480
you know

1725
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,440
cars that are out there i mean

1726
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:49,119
consequently it's like you know we got

1727
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:50,480
production plants and everything

1728
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,520
everywhere

1729
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,839
but underneath the underneath the ocean

1730
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:56,000
but you have objects that are triangular

1731
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,520
shaped popping out of the ocean disc

1732
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,760
shape balls that are that are basically

1733
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,240
emerging from the water and so you have

1734
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:04,640
a wide variety of these objects that are

1735
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,760
maneuvering

1736
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,799
through

1737
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:08,799
the you know water

1738
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,000
air and space with equal ease

1739
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,640
and it's the same object that also can

1740
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,880
do all three of those different medium

1741
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,640
and we haven't got anything that can do

1742
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,400
all three of those medium

1743
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,240
right

1744
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:24,000
hence the interest i suppose in the

1745
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:25,839
potential propulsion device or if it's

1746
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:28,160
some sort of anti-gravity as is it that

1747
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:29,680
that's the source of all of this because

1748
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,839
like you say then why the different

1749
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,680
shapes why not just settle on one shape

1750
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,520
and it's the actual device that makes a

1751
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,640
difference

1752
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,160
then that maybe begs the question are

1753
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,599
they coming from different places

1754
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,680
different different times like you say

1755
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,599
different planets if you want to go old

1756
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,359
school that seems to seems to be now

1757
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,280
doesn't it but yeah it's a whole other

1758
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,760
show i think on that one as well um next

1759
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,400
up question from newman newman says what

1760
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,920
do you think of the recent drone

1761
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,400
sightings over power plants in sweden

1762
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,000
and other parts of europe like france

1763
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,079
and germany

1764
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,400
well number one uh

1765
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,160
and this is kind of like where i was

1766
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,520
telling you that we're looking at

1767
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,079
putting drone killers in right because

1768
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,640
ultimately the concern is we do have

1769
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,039
these things that appear to be drones

1770
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,160
that are are maneuvering near all of our

1771
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,200
sensitive sites right not just ours but

1772
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,680
you know in other countries as well

1773
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:24,000
and if you think about that okay again

1774
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:27,039
going back to what is the intent here

1775
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:31,039
number one why do i go across like in

1776
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,240
palo verde is a nuclear station

1777
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,160
there were six objects that were going

1778
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,240
around the entire perimeter of that

1779
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,720
military location that then

1780
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:42,640
shot off went away

1781
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:45,280
and they did that uh as they wrote went

1782
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,799
around the perimeter

1783
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,160
what were they doing what were they

1784
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,480
looking at what were they detecting

1785
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,280
we're building drones now that allow us

1786
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,000
to take and i i'm a an operator myself

1787
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,240
i've got my own phantom dji that i can

1788
01:05:02,150 --> 01:04:59,760
fly right

1789
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:02,160
but you can fly these drones around and

1790
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:03,839
now you can add all these different

1791
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,720
kinds of sensors to them to be able to

1792
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,200
do everything from detecting

1793
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:11,440
you know uh radiation

1794
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,079
you might be detecting uh

1795
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,240
you know or you're actually monitoring

1796
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,960
or looking at thermo

1797
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,960
thermal imaging i could actually see

1798
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,559
people walking around or i could see

1799
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,720
what's going on i might have an acoustic

1800
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,039
device on the drone to be able to listen

1801
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:29,440
in to conversations i can do a lot of

1802
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:31,599
that type stuff and all that stuff is

1803
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,280
now coming about

1804
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,280
there are also drone advances where

1805
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,240
they're they're using even uh you know

1806
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,359
they're not using they're using fuel

1807
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,160
uh like you know to be able to fly them

1808
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:45,599
they're able to stay up there longer

1809
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,359
they're able to move quicker you know

1810
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,359
typical drones like my battery operated

1811
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:50,880
when i've got to bring it back and like

1812
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:53,119
reload it maybe about 20 minutes you

1813
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,880
know put it on another battery but i

1814
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:56,240
don't have to do that so drone

1815
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:57,599
advancements are

1816
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,559
are increasingly improving very well

1817
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:03,200
and so the question is

1818
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,799
is that an alien uh if if you would out

1819
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,720
there that's doing that or is it another

1820
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,799
country because guess that that's what

1821
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,880
we would do with our own drones send

1822
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,960
them off and go and collect intelligence

1823
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:16,160
as well right

1824
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,079
so you know you you're collecting

1825
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:20,799
intelligence by doing that so this is

1826
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,079
why it's real critical that the military

1827
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,920
when they talk about it and the

1828
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:27,599
government talks about it as being

1829
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,599
potentially adversaries

1830
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:32,640
versus you know something else

1831
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,920
we have to be able in the dod world to

1832
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,599
protect things and to be able to

1833
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,160
discriminate between the known and the

1834
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:42,400
unknown if you would right

1835
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,520
so

1836
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,119
there might these might potentially

1837
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,039
potentially the known meaning that

1838
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,799
they're adversaries that are doing

1839
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:50,799
intelligence collection and we have to

1840
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:53,680
be concerned about that we and so

1841
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:54,880
part of what we're doing is we're

1842
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,960
looking if it's a drone we'll be able to

1843
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:59,039
knock it out the sky and and you know

1844
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,400
and so on and so forth

1845
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,559
so but if it's not a drone it's going to

1846
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,480
go on its merry path well that's raises

1847
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,559
a whole other level of questioning right

1848
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,079
you know it might be something that's

1849
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:09,680
now wait a minute i thought that that

1850
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,079
was a drone and it's not

1851
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,880
and so we're also arming like our ships

1852
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:16,960
with with those same kind of devices to

1853
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,359
be able to actually detect and determine

1854
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,839
what they are as well so hopefully that

1855
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:24,480
addresses your question yeah interesting

1856
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,280
um justin says excellent bow tie he must

1857
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,200
have known him and he says excellent

1858
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,599
work for seo as well are there any other

1859
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,680
videos you find as compelling as

1860
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:36,400
aguadilla video

1861
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,760
um

1862
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,319
the challenge we have with videos

1863
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:43,200
are that they're so easily contrived

1864
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:44,240
today

1865
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,880
um i spend most of my time looking at

1866
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,799
videos i've been on there's a history

1867
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,400
channel show called the proof is out

1868
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,839
there and i've been on the last two

1869
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,880
seasons

1870
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,039
and uh tomorrow we're actually filming

1871
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,720
for the third season

1872
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,559
and it's all about looking at you know

1873
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,079
video images

1874
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:01,680
that people have

1875
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,480
posted about ufos and then having to go

1876
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,880
through and look at and analyze them and

1877
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:08,400
try to figure out what we can figure out

1878
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,680
about them

1879
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,480
and uh ultimately uh one of those ones

1880
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,160
that i took a look at was actually over

1881
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:16,239
in the uk was the bristol

1882
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:19,679
uh uh there was a in bristol area uh of

1883
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:21,199
the uk uh

1884
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,319
there was an object that was seen uh and

1885
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,880
down there that i case that i looked

1886
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:27,759
into

1887
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,359
uh there was the chilean uh case that

1888
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,679
where there was a black plume of smoke

1889
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,759
or if you would it looked like smoke

1890
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,359
coming out of the back of it that was

1891
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,159
then thermal we looked at that one uh

1892
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,319
there was a lot of uh

1893
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,000
interesting things about that but at the

1894
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,799
same time uh at the end of the day you

1895
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,000
couldn't say that it was actually

1896
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,839
maneuvering or doing something like

1897
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:52,560
splitting in two uh it was nothing you

1898
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:53,199
know

1899
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,480
other than it could have been an

1900
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,719
aircraft that was that was going in hit

1901
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,359
a contrail or set of an area except that

1902
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,359
the the problem with it was that the

1903
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,000
altitude was too low for contrails so i

1904
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,759
tried to like determine well maybe it's

1905
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,759
some other kind of thing and we couldn't

1906
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,600
identify what could create that little

1907
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,000
plume uh if you would at the back end of

1908
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,000
it that was kind of an interesting case

1909
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,400
um and in fact you know the chilean

1910
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:19,040
government looked into it the military

1911
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:21,199
and deemed that it was an unknown as

1912
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:22,080
well

1913
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:23,359
uh

1914
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,759
but there's not very many

1915
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,319
that we get that are i find as

1916
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,279
compelling as the aguadilla i think

1917
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,520
uh that one to me

1918
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,960
was just

1919
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,400
off the charts

1920
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,679
um

1921
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,199
how could you account for something that

1922
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,719
would split in two with two different

1923
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,040
thermal signatures and do what it did i

1924
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,600
i it just didn't make any sense

1925
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,359
the other thing is that

1926
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,440
i really believe that there's probably a

1927
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,040
lot of good photographic evidence we

1928
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:53,600
can't get to because there's six million

1929
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,719
uh cgi kinds of like videos floating

1930
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:58,960
around that is you know and so

1931
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,840
ufologists that have an interest in this

1932
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:03,840
uh don't have time to look at every one

1933
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,560
of those things uh and

1934
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:08,239
that the other part of it is that

1935
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,600
they're lacking

1936
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:12,000
scientific controls when they they come

1937
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,520
in in other words it wasn't done in

1938
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,760
scientifically and in controlled setting

1939
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,199
it was done by

1940
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,760
somebody using their iphone the iphones

1941
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,760
you know typically at night so now

1942
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,679
you're just looking at a night object

1943
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,840
that's out there and it's just a light

1944
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,920
on a dark background right you can't

1945
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:29,760
really get a reference point for it you

1946
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,320
have no data that helps you out to

1947
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,159
understand it and then plus a lot of

1948
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,000
people post their their stuff up they

1949
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,760
don't tell you where they're from where

1950
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,239
it was taken any of the details about it

1951
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,560
so consequently it just doesn't help us

1952
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,360
so scientifically we're lacking in

1953
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,360
anything that's really convincing

1954
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,199
but i believe that the military's got

1955
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,280
that and that's part of that hidden

1956
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:54,159
trove that we haven't been able to see

1957
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,440
and all the

1958
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:57,520
the films and the videos that were taken

1959
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,480
even

1960
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,400
from the early days

1961
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,719
a good number of those cases they

1962
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,320
submitted it to the air force project

1963
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,440
blue book and we have never seen them

1964
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,960
and justin that was actually a follow-up

1965
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,560
justin had what are your thoughts on the

1966
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,400
amazing crystal clear videos we hear

1967
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,480
about but haven't been shown

1968
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,280
as an organizat organization like scu is

1969
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,679
that something you with maybe contacts

1970
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,280
and networking you strive to try and get

1971
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,719
a hold of some of that footage that we

1972
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,280
hear about you know tic tacs 50 feet off

1973
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,080
the wing of an aircraft

1974
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,840
yeah we've been we've been definitely

1975
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,679
looking at uh whatever we can get let's

1976
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,520
put it that way

1977
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,440
the challenge is getting it you know the

1978
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:37,199
other the other challenge is actually

1979
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,560
being able to get the raw image

1980
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,400
that you want to analyze

1981
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,280
and unless you can get the raw image

1982
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:46,800
you're always dealing with the potential

1983
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,520
that it's been edited or changed and

1984
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:51,520
that doesn't allow you to do that deep

1985
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:54,080
dive into the actual down at the pixel

1986
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:54,960
level

1987
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,440
and actually check into it so our

1988
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,120
struggle is that because these things

1989
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:01,199
are typically coming out of the military

1990
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:02,159
area

1991
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,360
uh

1992
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,679
number one it's is it a leak did they

1993
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,600
leak it's to us and then you're trying

1994
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,600
to follow what you can where did it come

1995
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,320
from yeah who handled it

1996
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,159
and you do the chain of evidence and you

1997
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,400
try to find out where that evidence came

1998
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,280
from and it's difficult to do

1999
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,040
so there's a very small number of these

2000
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,640
things but we would love to be able to

2001
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,560
get something that's very very clear

2002
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:26,400
that we could take a look at

2003
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,159
wouldn't we all and and the balance of

2004
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,400
fairness i've got a question from flarky

2005
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:33,280
flarky is pretty good at debunking or

2006
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:34,239
looking at these things with a

2007
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,679
speculative eye he looked at one of my

2008
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,000
own photos today and he asks what do you

2009
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,760
think of the theory that the agadiya

2010
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,080
video showed nothing more than a prosec

2011
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:45,360
object moving with the wind

2012
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,480
um

2013
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,640
we we analyzed in terms of the aguadilla

2014
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,239
video now you're talking about you know

2015
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:52,000
do we think that it's a natural object

2016
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,440
moving against the wind is that what you

2017
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,239
yes yeah he's asking i think flaky's

2018
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:58,080
opinion is that that's what it is that

2019
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,600
it's nothing more than an object you

2020
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:01,040
know floating in the wind

2021
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,880
yeah so we did everything we could to

2022
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:05,360
analyze that aspect of it and we

2023
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,600
concluded that it was definitely not

2024
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:09,520
uh an object that was moving with the

2025
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,560
wind

2026
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:12,080
one of the challenges you have in

2027
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:13,040
studying

2028
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,800
an object where the object is moving

2029
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,800
at the same time the aircraft is

2030
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,880
circling around it right

2031
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,239
you have to deal and you have to

2032
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:25,199
subtract out things like parallax

2033
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,280
the effect of you know if i rotate it

2034
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,800
around you right now the background

2035
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,480
would be also moving

2036
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,560
but it would be moving at the same speed

2037
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,320
as the aircraft

2038
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:36,239
if i have a discrepancy between those

2039
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,120
two

2040
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,040
you know in other words the background

2041
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:41,679
is not moving at the same speed as the

2042
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,199
aircraft is then i would be able to i

2043
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,280
have to factor that in and say well wait

2044
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:49,679
a minute then it actually is moving and

2045
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,560
can i deduce that same time there were

2046
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,040
reference objects on the ground that we

2047
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,600
could look at and while the plane was

2048
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,120
like making its and you're looking at

2049
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,360
this thing on every single frame by the

2050
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,360
way and so you're breaking it one

2051
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,440
thirtieth of a second level

2052
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,120
you can actually detect that there is

2053
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:09,520
actually motion with the object that's

2054
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:11,840
independent of the parallax

2055
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,960
effect

2056
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,560
and so you can get down and you can

2057
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,280
start to now make a determination the

2058
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:19,600
about things like you know size and

2059
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,480
speed

2060
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:22,239
the uh we looked at the weather the

2061
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,800
weather was that it was basically the

2062
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,880
winds were from the i believe the

2063
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:29,040
northeast or roughly the east

2064
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:30,800
going to the west

2065
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:33,120
uh the object was

2066
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,480
basically

2067
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,719
different points of its position at one

2068
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,120
point it goes behind a telephone pole

2069
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,800
we're able to actually see it go behind

2070
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,120
the telephone pole so that new met

2071
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,199
allowed us to make a determination as to

2072
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:46,560
its size

2073
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:49,199
as well as its distance

2074
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,320
okay

2075
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,159
and where it was

2076
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:55,199
it was not anywhere in the one spot of

2077
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:58,000
where it originally was it had moved

2078
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,280
uh the

2079
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,719
the

2080
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,600
uh

2081
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,120
the other thing that i'll point out to

2082
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,000
you uh that it would the wind that

2083
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,480
altitude was about 15 to 18

2084
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,280
miles per hour if you actually took a

2085
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:14,400
like a mylar balloon and you put it up

2086
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,719
in the air at that altitude and then

2087
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,640
with that wind speed you would see it

2088
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,560
bouncing around all over the place it

2089
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:22,960
would be herky-jerky this was not like

2090
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:25,760
that the thermal signature of a balloon

2091
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,960
does not match uh even what you would

2092
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,000
get

2093
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,880
so the thermal signature is nowhere near

2094
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,239
what you would get with any kind of a

2095
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,040
balloon or a kind of like that

2096
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,679
the other thing is that the object uh

2097
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,679
when we we did the calculation of the

2098
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:44,159
path at what point you see it go into

2099
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,280
the water

2100
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,239
that was

2101
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,640
and then it pops up and comes out we

2102
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,520
actually can measure the uh

2103
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,840
what the depth of the object was we were

2104
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,920
able to look at that whole thing and

2105
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:00,000
find out that it's where its position

2106
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,800
was it actually made a course change

2107
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,760
by the way

2108
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,520
we deduced the fact that it made a

2109
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,280
course change as well

2110
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:09,199
so i mean again there's a lot of

2111
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,640
intricate layers to that whole thing

2112
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,560
you'd have to read our analysis

2113
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,960
you know in depth which is up on the

2114
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,880
but we we looked at it from everything

2115
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,360
from the thermal signature the wind

2116
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,000
uh what could it be how could we explain

2117
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:24,080
it using you know things like balloons

2118
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,120
birds

2119
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:26,880
uh and to see if we could do that and we

2120
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:29,199
ruled all those things out

2121
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,719
no that's a good answer thank you for

2122
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,800
that and flour dma if you want any

2123
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,480
follow-up because i know you usually do

2124
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,239
um final listener question i quite like

2125
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:38,400
this one for you rich this is from jason

2126
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,719
in los angeles do you believe we are on

2127
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,800
the verge of the next big technological

2128
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:44,719
advancement as a species and what do you

2129
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:48,080
think that could possibly be

2130
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,120
i think that

2131
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,679
certainly i mean what we're seeing a

2132
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:53,679
proliferation of right now

2133
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,719
even in the dod world is the uh

2134
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,440
again the use of ai as well as you know

2135
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:01,360
the fact that we're moving towards the

2136
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,520
quantum computing and i think that

2137
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:04,880
ultimately

2138
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,000
those types of things are going to make

2139
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:11,040
a very large profound difference uh and

2140
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:11,920
change

2141
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,719
in uh in just what we do and how we how

2142
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,360
we use things uh how we compute things

2143
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:19,679
the information that we're able to get

2144
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,640
uh

2145
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:22,480
i think our our understanding of the

2146
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,920
quantum level uh is definitely improving

2147
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,920
i think that there's a hopefully that

2148
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:29,920
that's going to lead us into some

2149
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:32,400
fundamental changes about the nature of

2150
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,960
of us the matter and everything else i

2151
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,000
think that

2152
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,480
the more we continue to study

2153
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:39,920
uh

2154
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,600
obviously

2155
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,440
the medical field and everything else

2156
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:45,120
the the it's going to change things

2157
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,560
dramatically

2158
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:48,239
my hope is that we're going to be around

2159
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:51,440
long enough to be able to do that

2160
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,320
you know

2161
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:54,080
if we aren't going nuclear at that point

2162
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,760
but anyway i think that those kind of

2163
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:57,600
things are going to be really really

2164
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,960
game changers

2165
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,320
uh and

2166
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,040
if you look at just the nature of

2167
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,000
the virtual reality that we create i

2168
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,840
think that that's also going to play

2169
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:10,159
into it and how we do things and how we

2170
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,360
approach things

2171
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,800
but um

2172
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,920
anyway i

2173
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,280
those are some of the things that i'm

2174
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,440
i'm most excited about and i know that

2175
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:20,480
they're like on the just on the horizon

2176
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:23,120
you know uh that so we might be able to

2177
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:24,239
i might be able to see some of these

2178
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,600
things in my

2179
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,159
lifetime or hopefully i can i'm starting

2180
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,719
to see that we're using uh ai in the

2181
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:33,040
military and i think that that's going

2182
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,560
to help us to understand the ufo as well

2183
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,320
uh i want to finish up with a quick fire

2184
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,840
round i've not done it for a few

2185
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,360
interviews and brought it back for this

2186
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:43,600
so a few words or a few sentences on

2187
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,880
each of the topics and if you have no

2188
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:47,120
opinion you can move on um the first one

2189
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,000
which is skin walker ranch

2190
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:52,080
fascinating subject i think that that

2191
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,520
that ultimately there's so there's a

2192
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:54,960
phenomena there that we just don't

2193
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,000
understand

2194
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,080
and it deserves very very credible

2195
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,840
scientific uh

2196
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:01,120
investigation

2197
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,159
uh more so than just on this tv show

2198
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:05,920
you know i mean i'm talking about you

2199
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,159
know with full set of equipment with a

2200
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:10,800
lot of more a lot more unbiased kinds of

2201
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,520
perspectives uh and looking into it but

2202
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,960
there's definitely something there that

2203
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,199
we need to study

2204
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:19,920
the bob lazar story

2205
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,880
i'm sorry

2206
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,000
oh there's no

2207
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,159
bob lazar yeah yeah i pretty much just

2208
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:27,440
let him go because he's a distraction

2209
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,640
we're not getting

2210
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:30,239
you know i mean he's he's nothing but a

2211
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,440
distraction

2212
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,520
why would i want to spend my time

2213
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,360
time talking about somebody who's never

2214
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:37,760
produced any shred of evidence has got

2215
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,480
credibility issues and whatever he says

2216
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,440
who really cares okay i mean that's

2217
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,600
where i'm at with him he's he's he's a

2218
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:48,480
distraction from me studying ufos

2219
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:50,800
what about roswell

2220
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,520
i think roswell was indeed a crash of an

2221
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,400
unknown i i look at it from all the

2222
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:58,800
indications of the many first-hand

2223
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,719
second-hand witnesses you know and you

2224
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:02,159
could go on and on

2225
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:03,440
there was definitely something that

2226
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,320
happened there that was very unorthodox

2227
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,199
uh i was in in the right patterson air

2228
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,000
force base and we looked at the receipt

2229
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:14,000
of the material from fort worth that

2230
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,000
didn't come to dayton ohio

2231
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,080
and we talked with people there that

2232
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,480
that also had recognized

2233
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,800
that that did come to them

2234
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,960
so it's real

2235
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,880
what's your personal opinion on what

2236
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:29,040
consciousness is and the role it may

2237
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,360
play in relation to uap i understand

2238
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:33,120
that's a big question for a quick fire

2239
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,239
round but

2240
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,719
yeah it's like me taking uh you know

2241
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,159
people always ask me is there a

2242
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,360
connection between bigfoot and ufos

2243
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,760
well it's like me taking one unknown and

2244
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,520
trying to explain it with another

2245
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,120
unknown right

2246
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,440
yeah me taking and trying to you know

2247
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:51,920
say i understand consciousness enough to

2248
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:54,320
know whether it's being applied to uaps

2249
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,639
to would tell you that basically i'm

2250
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,800
taking that unknown and trying to stick

2251
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,639
it with this one and that doesn't work

2252
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,440
in science you don't do that i mean so

2253
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,280
ultimately you have to figure them both

2254
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,719
out and i i

2255
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:08,480
we're nowhere near figuring out what

2256
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:11,440
consciousness is uh let alone

2257
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,639
how it is applied in the context of uip

2258
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,960
if you think about it everything we see

2259
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:18,719
do touch and everything else

2260
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:21,040
is all part of our consciousness

2261
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:22,239
and so

2262
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:23,360
what

2263
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,800
consciousness create the ufo that's up

2264
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,800
in the sky wait a minute how does it

2265
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,440
have physical effects on the ground

2266
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,960
how does it have physical effects on

2267
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,639
radar how does it have

2268
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,480
my consciousness i don't think i can do

2269
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,719
that propel that into existence

2270
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:42,000
and then why is it that somebody's

2271
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,440
standing next to me is also watching

2272
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:45,120
that same thing do we have the same

2273
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,719
consciousness

2274
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,639
you know is it you know they're seeing

2275
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,239
it i'm seeing it

2276
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,320
how do thousands of people see the the

2277
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:55,199
phoenix lights and and you get my point

2278
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:59,199
right yeah so i don't necessarily see a

2279
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,159
causal explanation or a connection yet

2280
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,000
i'm looking forward to seeing that at

2281
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:06,000
some point maybe that can happen but

2282
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,639
we're a long way down the pike

2283
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:10,480
in your opinion what is the best

2284
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:17,030
well

2285
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,560
i tend to want to say that there are

2286
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:20,719
more than one thing

2287
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,920
i don't i don't i there's a good portion

2288
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,040
of them

2289
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,520
are natural phenomena that are still

2290
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,600
unknown to us and let me let me clarify

2291
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,880
that

2292
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,880
earth lights i've studied earth light

2293
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:35,040
phenomena these are balls of light that

2294
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,719
illuminate that move through the sky and

2295
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,400
can do all different kinds of things

2296
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,960
hesterlin norway you've got them you've

2297
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,560
got them in the mid mining lights in

2298
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:44,719
australia you've got uh also in

2299
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:47,199
cloverdale about an hour away from me

2300
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,960
you had piedmont missouri you've got the

2301
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,960
brown mountain lights so there's a part

2302
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,320
of this phenomenon that actually people

2303
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,040
report as ufos which are not necessarily

2304
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,040
ufos they're just natural phenomena that

2305
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:59,120
we haven't figured out right

2306
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,719
so there's a good part of that there's

2307
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,560
also the classified projects that are

2308
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:04,560
out there that people see that we just

2309
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:06,239
you know don't get any answers for

2310
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,600
because guess what you can't get

2311
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,679
classified people to tell you that they

2312
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,760
have classified things so that's another

2313
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:13,120
part of the subset of things that we

2314
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,400
can't explain

2315
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,800
you have also additionally to that

2316
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:18,480
you've got a

2317
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,440
phenomena out there like a tic tac that

2318
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:23,920
is you know out there performing and

2319
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,600
doing incredible speeds and things like

2320
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:28,400
that which we don't understand so

2321
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,400
what i'm trying to tell you is that

2322
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,800
we also have objects that can basically

2323
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:35,040
disappear in front of your face and

2324
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,080
vanish

2325
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,159
uh not even cloaking but maybe just

2326
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,560
disappearing you know materializing and

2327
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,080
dematerializing

2328
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,320
we have uh and so

2329
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,760
what i'm trying to tell you is i think

2330
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,000
we've got phenomena of different kinds

2331
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,560
that are coming in and we're we want to

2332
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,080
call them and want to look for a single

2333
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:54,480
explanation when there's not the case

2334
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:57,360
and they could also be time travelers

2335
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,679
from the future that we're saying you

2336
01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:01,360
know and so you get where i'm coming

2337
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,400
from there

2338
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,480
absolutely and finally what are your

2339
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:06,560
hopes as pertains to ufos and the

2340
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,669
well i you know to me it's

2341
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:15,840
i understand i've been at this thing for

2342
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:18,719
58 years right 58 years of my life

2343
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:22,000
almost my entire life you know and it's

2344
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,120
one of those things where i've always

2345
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:25,199
had great expectations i thought that

2346
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:27,280
this year was going to be a year that

2347
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,719
something was going to happen we were a

2348
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,440
major breakthrough i don't

2349
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,360
i think what's going to happen is that

2350
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,120
we'll have continued

2351
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,719
uh political discussions about the

2352
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:38,000
politics and the people around the

2353
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,280
planet that are getting engaged

2354
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,040
politically because they're coming on

2355
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:42,960
board with it you'll hear about that

2356
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,280
that that'll be coming up i think from a

2357
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,880
scientific standpoint the fact that we

2358
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,560
got now more people that are actually

2359
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:50,239
going after the subject

2360
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,520
little by little we're going to have

2361
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,199
more and more papers that come into play

2362
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:55,760
with more and more information and

2363
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,840
better data

2364
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,679
is going to help us out because we're

2365
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,520
now technologically moving to be able to

2366
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,360
get that better data right

2367
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,360
so i think that ultimately

2368
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,440
might not happen this year

2369
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:09,040
but i think that ultimately it's going

2370
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,600
to happen in a very quicker time frame

2371
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,120
again because we're going to be using

2372
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,679
tools like ai and machine learning to be

2373
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:17,360
able to help us to go sort through all

2374
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:18,800
the information we're getting from

2375
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,560
systems and to really come up with a

2376
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,960
smarter answer

2377
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,040
rich how can people follow you and your

2378
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,280
work

2379
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:29,199
well i mean uh

2380
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,719
certainly i'm on facebook and all the

2381
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,400
other kinds of things as well i i

2382
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,560
typically i have a license plate on my

2383
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,440
car which i has a certain finite number

2384
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:39,280
of like you know letters you're able to

2385
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,040
use so i've made it ufo xprt for ufo

2386
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,960
expert and it triggers a lot of

2387
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,800
conversations where people will see me

2388
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:48,719
at the gas station say hey are you in

2389
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,600
the ufos let me talk to you right so

2390
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,600
that it's been that kind of thing and

2391
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:55,520
you know i've had fun with that but

2392
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:58,239
uh so i'm i'm basically out there as ufo

2393
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,920
expert on like you know like you know

2394
01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:01,760
twitter and some of the other things

2395
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:05,679
uh xprt uh you can also follow us on our

2396
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,080
website you know in terms of seo

2397
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,639
uh and i we put a lot up there

2398
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,800
i'm posting up on facebook all the time

2399
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:14,639
on my own personal page and stuff like

2400
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,520
that

2401
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,000
uh we the scu page is where we're

2402
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,920
putting all of our papers that we come

2403
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,679
up with and so you're gonna kids keep

2404
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:23,520
seeing that growing all the time as

2405
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,120
these papers come out

2406
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:27,600
uh and you know by all means get a hold

2407
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:28,560
of me and

2408
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,239
come to the conference you know uh you

2409
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,000
know the conference i would love to have

2410
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:34,320
you there uh you can actually get to it

2411
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,840
uh to register if you want uh on our ufo

2412
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:38,800
uh

2413
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,120
link from there to the registration page

2414
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,440
come to the conference uh any one of

2415
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,320
them i'll be on virtually uh it's also a

2416
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,400
virtual conference so there's no reason

2417
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,719
the uk can't come in

2418
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,800
you know so hopefully

2419
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,199
hopefully uh we had 250 people from

2420
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,880
around the world last year so i'm hoping

2421
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:11,120
that we have more than that but uh

2422
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,880
anyway that's pretty much how you can

2423
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:14,239
get a hold of me and there's also a

2424
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:17,679
connect page uh you can ask about me uh

2425
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:20,400
we have an email from our uh a contact

2426
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:24,000
page on our web or seo website

2427
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:25,199
well that's great that was the last

2428
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:26,560
thing i was going to mention was that

2429
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,960
the scu anomalous aerospace phenomena

2430
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,840
conference the aapc that runs june 3rd

2431
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,520
to june 5th and it's based out of

2432
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,600
huntsville alabama but like you say you

2433
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,000
can attend or in person or if you can't

2434
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,159
make it you can register online now to

2435
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,639
attend virtually as well rich it's been

2436
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,159
amazing talking to you i've really

2437
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:46,159
enjoyed this conversation and thank you

2438
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,600
so much for being so generous with your

2439
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:49,040
time as well and i look forward to

2440
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,320
hosting you down the line again in

2441
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,679
future

2442
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,760
great nice to meet you andy and thank

2443
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,600
you for all your guests and the people

2444
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,000
that pay attention and ask the questions

2445
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,760
and and i look forward to seeing you

2446
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,880
again

2447
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,040
that is all for this week's show thank

2448
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,960
you very much for listening please

2449
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,040
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2450
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,679
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2451
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2452
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,840
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2453
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2454
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2455
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2457
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:24,960
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2458
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2459
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,040
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2460
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:33,120
and again folks as always keep looking

2461
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:36,170
up you never know what you might see

2462
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:03,280
smoke

2463
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:13,750
i can't imagine how it could have been

2464
01:29:25,930 --> 01:29:33,030
[Music]

2465
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,310
there was something on my head and

2466
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:36,960
everything was weird and

2467
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:38,159
my boys they thought everything was

2468
01:29:42,340 --> 01:29:39,760
noise they thought it was a dream they

2469
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:42,350
thought it was my toys

2470
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:06,830
and what's that

2471
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:11,430
[Music]

2472
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:20,770
for being serious

2473
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:33,950
[Music]

2474
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:43,679
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

2475
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:15,390
[Music]

2476
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:21,560
so

2477
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:35,390
yes